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Post by yellowranger on Aug 30, 2015 13:03:50 GMT
So. GFish. How likely is it that MSU makes the hit tonight for the Archers? I ask because I feel like we are way more likely to get a kill out of him that we want instead of CMD'ing the Freddy. We CMD MSU kill TurdBurglar. Have RenegadeRoy Doctor himself and Misdirect SilverLantern. Have GFish's Girlfriend untraceably kill Darq or Bob. The other 2 powers however we see fit? I fully expect MSU to get locked down by RB'ers and JK'ers. I also feel you're worrying too much about SL's power. I would be more concerned with dealing with Malakim and possibly Linkor if I'm guessing correctly on him. Frankly, I expect there's only two others left in Archer besides gfish and MSU is one of them. If we can get rid of the other, the Town will handle MSU. That clears a huge path for us. Silver is a Freddy. Renegade didn't post. He is our Doctor. I'm not too paranoid about Silver, but we have to not let him get anywhere near RR. I was also just trying to make sure we would be maximizing kills the way want them to shake out. The Mafia kill would be a guaranteed kill if we pick the right person to CMD. |
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Post by thinkpink on Aug 30, 2015 13:16:10 GMT
I fully expect MSU to get locked down by RB'ers and JK'ers. I also feel you're worrying too much about SL's power. I would be more concerned with dealing with Malakim and possibly Linkor if I'm guessing correctly on him. Frankly, I expect there's only two others left in Archer besides gfish and MSU is one of them. If we can get rid of the other, the Town will handle MSU. That clears a huge path for us. Silver is a Freddy. Renegade didn't post. He is our Doctor. I'm not too paranoid about Silver, but we have to not let him get anywhere near RR. I was also just trying to make sure we would be maximizing kills the way want them to shake out. The Mafia kill would be a guaranteed kill if we pick the right person to CMD. Silver is not restricted to killing quiet players though. I like the idea of having him off someone quiet-ish that could still be trouble, like Ignatz. |
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Post by Red Rokks Arena on Aug 30, 2015 13:25:36 GMT
I missed that Roy failed to post. I still think if SL is Misdirected that would still make his kill effective on whomever he targets but, I agree, if gfish can't get his Mafia to let him make the kill - and then we override it by having him make a kill - then the non-MSU member(s?) are a threat to us. Quebbs: I'd really rather not make the kill until we see how much of our old IDs are in the write-up. A red MP-5 spraying the room with bullets would not look good for me. Then again, I worry that gfish's Mafia is going to have him Silence MSU (though Grinner should be on top of JK'ing MSU) and want me dead so I can't drag him back for the gallows. So, standard paranoia.  Heck, I even toyed with the concern Ice may be trying to get his way with the group to justify a power of some sort just for "bonus self-satisfaction points".  |
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Post by Red Rokks Arena on Aug 30, 2015 13:30:24 GMT
Mags, if Rokk performs our kill, can he use the portal the following day? I'm going to say no, because no one else gets both powers so he shouldn't either. So can I give Quebbs the right to activate my power during Day phase - if it's available - being he's the Don and has "override" on submissions for powers? (Not being sassy. Sincere question. This way if I'm not around because of timezone issues and the Mafia needs my power to save, say, Roy, he's got control of it just like he would be able to choose my Nite target if I was an RB'er). |
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Post by gfishfunk didn't log in on Aug 30, 2015 13:36:05 GMT
If we submit a silence target for me, ours can override my silence target.
I say CMD Silver to protect RR into Mal or Rorschach either person most likely to get us trouble, and then kill Turdburglar.
We kill Mal or Rorsch and Turdburglar. This makes my kill less useful, but it is a logical choice, and now we know there is no doctor.
Who would you like me to silence? Offensive or defensive? Right now I'm okay with the target provided by my mafia, but actions have not been submitted.
Rokk: if you are still able, Mason with Darq tonight.
Next phase let's kill colonialbob and Mal/rorach (if either are left alive, or Ignatz if not)
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Post by thinkpink on Aug 30, 2015 13:38:46 GMT
I assumed a Red Ranger kill would be performed with the power sword, but that's me.
As I said in the other thread, I have no issue keeping Rokk and gfish in reserve. Iceman can CMD Silver away from Roy, Roy can kill turdburglar and I can block... Someone. There's still a busdrive to worry about...
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Post by thinkpink on Aug 30, 2015 13:43:07 GMT
If we submit a silence target for me, ours can override my silence target. I say CMD Silver to protect RR into Mal or Rorschach either person most likely to get us trouble, and then kill Turdburglar. We kill Mal or Rorsch and Turdburglar. This makes my kill less useful, but it is a logical choice, and now we know there is no doctor. Who would you like me to silence? Offensive or defensive? Right now I'm okay with the target provided by my mafia, but actions have not been submitted. Rokk: if you are still able, Mason with Darq tonight. Next phase let's kill colonialbob and Mal/rorach (if either are left alive, or Ignatz if not) I'd prefer to not mess with your action just yet, I think. No reason to tip your team off about your change. On the other hand, having mal or rorschachparadox silenced would be useful... |
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Post by yellowranger on Aug 30, 2015 16:39:33 GMT
So which of us do we Doctor?
MSU seems to think GFish and Rokk are cult, so I would say one of them...
We all have vital roles to play here, but I think we have to worry about an MSU scorned first and foremost.
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Post by thinkpink on Aug 30, 2015 16:44:25 GMT
So which of us do we Doctor? MSU seems to think GFish and Rokk are cult, so I would say one of them... We all have vital roles to play here, but I think we have to worry about an MSU scorned first and foremost. I'm thinking you and I are the best targets for a mafia kill. I don't think MSU would nightkill the cult, he wants them lynched. I'm thinking it might be best to skip the doctor + MD and have RenegadeRoy do our kill though. |
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Post by yellowranger on Aug 30, 2015 16:52:55 GMT
And...
With our Power Sets it makes the most sense to have GFish make the kill.
Doctor and Misdirect is necessary.
Silencing. Necessary not only because it brings a player back for lynch, but because Rokks actions are highly public.
Roleblocking is necessary.
The Controlled Misdirect buys us an extra kill if we're right.
Now. I'm sure we could use the untraceable or we could just have GFish kill as an actual Power Ranger.
Outside of GFish I guess Quebbster or myself would be next in line?
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Post by yellowranger on Aug 30, 2015 16:55:34 GMT
And... With our Power Sets it makes the most sense to have GFish make the kill. Doctor and Misdirect is necessary. Silencing. Necessary not only because it brings a player back for lynch, but because Rokks actions are highly public. Roleblocking is necessary. The Controlled Misdirect buys us an extra kill if we're right. Now. I'm sure we could use the untraceable or we could just have GFish kill as an actual Power Ranger. Outside of GFish I guess Quebbster or myself would be next in line? No way do I think we have our Doctor not Doctor one of us. I think MSU is pissed and wants this cult out there. If he kills one cult member and gets an autopsy of one of the players on his little cult list? Then he has the town's ear 100%. Trying to only lynch us draws the game out to such an extent that it's almost a sure loss for him as he is already down in numbers. |
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Post by thinkpink on Aug 30, 2015 16:57:14 GMT
And... With our Power Sets it makes the most sense to have GFish make the kill. Doctor and Misdirect is necessary. Silencing. Necessary not only because it brings a player back for lynch, but because Rokks actions are highly public. Roleblocking is necessary. The Controlled Misdirect buys us an extra kill if we're right. Now. I'm sure we could use the untraceable or we could just have GFish kill as an actual Power Ranger. Outside of GFish I guess Quebbster or myself would be next in line? I'm not so sure doctoring is necessary. SKs and Vig are all gone, and gfish can keep the mafia attention elsewhere. The misdirect is probably more valuable than the doctor right now. Also, messing with gfishfunk's mafia action may clue them in to his new loyalty. |
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Post by yellowranger on Aug 30, 2015 17:01:23 GMT
If the Mafia is targeting us, we need to know.
GFish can tell us that much, right?
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Post by thinkpink on Aug 30, 2015 17:12:55 GMT
If the Mafia is targeting us, we need to know. GFish can tell us that much, right? I'll listen very carefully to his suggestions about who to doctor or block, at the very least. |
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Post by Red Rokks Arena on Aug 30, 2015 19:13:10 GMT
Respectfully, Quebbs I realize everyone always thinks they're in danger but not sure why you feel you're so high on lists. You aren't on Town radar, as of yesterday, and the Mafia didn't seem to be calling you out as Cult.
MSU can get a two-for-one by killing me or gfish. People will feel we are tied to each other. More key is that MSU listed us both as Cult and if one of us autopsies that way, people will pause his lynch long enough to listen because Cult Paranoia overrides Caught Mafia. They'll lynch the other, figuring MSU may be on to something (and I -still- want to know how he immediately pegged his own teammate and me considering, traditionally, you can't recruit Mafia in most games. What keyed him off?). If I was him and had a demolished Mafia I wouldn't choose to NK my own teammate in case I was wrong; his whole goal is to have enough people keep getting thrown in front of his noose that his unknown teammate can whittle the Town.
I think CMD'ing SL protects Roy. Even if the CMD'ed Kill then fizzles, at least Roy is safe. We know SL isn't immune to target alteration based on the BD. (Of course, to play Devil's Advocate, if a Guide is alive SL should be his target).
Mal is still a serious concern tonite because while he knows MSU was trying to redirect attention, he also knows that MSU is likely to throw out some legit chance names as a way to live longer. Now, obviously, Mal doesn't Cop himself so that puts it to one of the others on the list. He's a good general MD or RB target dependant on what gfish recommends (he'll have a better idea which one needs used to keep us alive: Doctor, MD or RB).
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